The Gaming Den

Zinegata wrote:Which is why I've managed to say "no" to it. I don't really see the need, and I feel it's pretty degrading on the woman's part.

That's the biggest reason why I don't ask my wife for it. Of course, she says she likes the control it gives her and gets pleasure from the giving of pleasure, so I don't turn it down when offered. But demanding it makes me feel like I'm treating her like an object.

mean_liar wrote:Seconded.

Thirded.

Mister_Sinister wrote:
Thirded.

Fourthed.

TOZ wrote:

Zinegata wrote:Which is why I've managed to say "no" to it. I don't really see the need, and I feel it's pretty degrading on the woman's part.

That's the biggest reason why I don't ask my wife for it. Of course, she says she likes the control it gives her and gets pleasure from the giving of pleasure, so I don't turn it down when offered. But demanding it makes me feel like I'm treating her like an object.

I don't demand, but I make it clear that it will be taken into account next time I feel the need to do the same for her.

Usually, that's all it takes to encourage such behavior.

Kaelik wrote:

Quantumboost wrote:

Kaelik wrote:You have a serious problem with strawmen. No one but you has ever said that anyone here is a crusader against stupidity. You are literally the only person who has ever said that.

That's verifiably false, as Roy has claimed that he is a crusader against stupidity multiple times in the past. Pretty sure you haven't, but Zine isn't the *only* person who has ever said that here.

Well, since Roy and Zine are about 70% the same person, I'm just going to give my self a pass on that.

Fuck you, and suck a barrel of cocks. I also wasn't involved in this discussion prior to that giant strawman and therefore I was not here.

As for Zine, he is a fucktard and a mockery. Right now he's pulling a PR.

Also...

Blicero wrote:

Mister_Sinister wrote:
Thirded.

Fourthed.

Fifthed.

Zinegata wrote:I've been seeing this bullshit all over the Ghostwheel threads, and it has to stop.

Basically, what happens a lot in the Den is this:

<Op> I want to make a system where everyone plays Mary Sues. Please review the system I made here.

<Denners> Mary Sues suck. You are 100% wrong. I won't bother to read your system anymore. You suck.

<Op> I'm gonna ignore people who didn't actually read the system and who are just whining about Mary Sues. Because I don't care what you think about Mary Sues. I want to know if you think this system fits my ideal of playing a Mary Sue.

<Denners> You suck! You're rejecting our criticism! You don't belong here!

And really, that's fucking bullshit on these retarded Denner's part.

It is always valid to reject criticism if that's not what you want to talk about. Because it's not constructive. If you don't like a Mary Sue game, shut up about it instead of engaging in a discussion which should have been about how to make such a game work.

So to the asshole Denners:If you want to complain about Mary Sues, or how people should "properly" optimize, make your own fucking thread instead of crapping somebody else's.

And if you want to complain about how I call our your asshatery, bring it here instead of shitting over somebody who actually writes actual gaming stuff instead of self-important bullshit.

Zinegata, you're actually an idiot for posting this.

You realize that your talking about people who will work out the math and determine the balance of "Mind Control Sexy Time" games; right? Because Frank seriously did that, and he strictly looked at the system based on it's mechanics.

Obvectivity is the soul of TGD.

The issue that got made into an issue is that Ghostwheel does not like the idea that players are able to be equal participants in a co-operative storytelling session.

That is bullshit. Having people at a table, having them "play" characters, and then not allowing them to affect the story is a really evil trick to pull on players who thought they'd be able to play their characters, not having to play the way that the MC wants them to play.

"Mother may I?" is not a good idea for how to run a game, especially when the Players don't even know that the game they are playing actually is "Mother May I?".

Additional issues include the fact that Ghostwheel has not actualy shown any of their work, despite proclaiming their system as being "thorougly play tested" (a grand house of a lie if anything they've said so far is to be believed). As well as being able to decide on what their examples actually will be; since they seem to vacillate between 3.5 and... a very nebulous "not 3.5!". Being able to design a game; when you don't even have the goal posts or field boundaries marked is an exercise in futility.

As for your completely bogus example it is a ... bogus example. Having players make Mary Sue characters is something that is not only viable (since the design goals are pre-established, and more solidly than anything Ghoswheel has shown so far); but something that people at TGD would actually help write.

There's probably half a dozen people on these boards right now who are qualified and capable of writing a game of "Mary Sue: Magical Tea Party", and have it function as a game that would be fun to play.

Unlike the still untested, mechanically shakey, and over-wroght charlie foxtrot that Ghostwheel keeps putting the "game" label on.

Seriously Zinegata, it feels like you've never been here before, but I was pretty sure you've been here more than a year, and have seen the sort of work that gets done here.

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TOZ wrote:<tangent> What the fuck does getting a blowjob do for self-esteem? 'I got a supermodel to take it in the mouth so I must be awesome'? Or 'I totally hooked up with the sluttiest bitch at the party, I must be awesome'?

I think Ubernoob meant "Someone I like wanted to do something that I'd enjoy, they did it, and I enjoyed it. I'm on a post-enjoyment high right now."

The other examples are needless bragging.

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Zinegata wrote:

Maj wrote:Seeing as how I'm not male, I asked my husband. This is what he came up with:

Ess in Hypothetical Mode wrote:There isn't really a part of a woman's mouth that gives her physical pleasure. Because it's not a mutual thing, there's a sense of the guy being cool enough, important enough, hot enough, powerful [or rich] enough, or loved enough to have a woman being doing that [and not getting that much out of it].

Yeah. I more or less I agree with Ess.

Which is why I've managed to say "no" to it. I don't really see the need, and I feel it's pretty degrading on the woman's part.

Wow, you sound like a prude, who doesn't get it. Like, at all.

If you're with someone you love, and you're doing something that makes them exclusively pleased, how are you losing? Remember that rather large erogenous organ on a human? Yeah, the really big one? It's between your freaking ears. Giving good oral is a supreme turn on IMHO.

I'm also guessing your not very eager to put your mouth on someone else?

Maybe you'll get over it, maybe you won't. /shrug


And TOZ, if you feel so damned guilty, why don't you just return the damned favour? For all you know you may both enjoy giving and recieving oral more than anything else you two have done so far.

It's not something I'm comfortable with yet. I've had two other partners before her, and didn't really get far with either. So its mostly fear of the unknown I suppose.

Of course, she's not comfortable with anyone going down on her either. As a result, I'm very good with my hands.

Hands are better anyway, you can't make out and do oral at the same time, which is a huge negative.

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IBTL.

OOO ME TOO.

LAST!

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